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Nathan Natas
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WT acually truthful in today's text!
by Sanchy in...hope to enjoy everlasting life and witness the resurrection, things unseen by the world.
like the philosophers of paul’s day who called him an ignorant “chatterer,” most people today think that the hope we preach is sheer nonsense.
(acts 17:18) .
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Don't believe anyone is up there listening - said a prayer anyway out of sense of obligation
by Zoos ini've read many statements on this forum from people who have expressed the sentiment that you don't shove ttatt down the throat of an older person.
it would be too traumatic and its best to let some people, in some situations, simply pass on in the delusion.. its humane.
merciful.. in the initial roar of my awakening, i was unable to cuddle up to that sentiment; preferring, instead, to shove the blood curdling shock of truth down the throat of anyone i could get my grip on... age be dammed.
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Nathan Natas
So far it seems that people feel this is a binary situation: either grant the man's religious wishes (and thus be "good"; I mean "bad") or engage him full-on in a vigorous unyielding debate about the existence of his imaginary invisible friends (and thus be "bad"; I mean "good").
Fortunately as an atheist you have no Judge that you must account to, and that includes me, so I won't judge you either.
You did what you did. It was neither good nor bad. Tomorrow is another day.
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What should I do?
by Tameria2001 inhello everyone, it's been quite a while since i was last on this forum.
originally i was under a different user name, but lost all that information when i moved to a different state.
anyways, i had left the jws back in 2001, after being raised up in it most of my childhood life.
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Nathan Natas
Go and when "the appointed time" comes, refuse to leave. Explain that those judgmental JWs are not Christians and that no one appointed the as chief morality officer for all the non-JWs there. Let them know that you are in charge of your life, you take responsibility for your decisions, and you urge them to do likewise.
Bring the list of things that JWs are not allowed to do and begin reading it aloud as soon as you have made your statement. Be a voice for the voiceless and a defender of the intimidated. Be prepared to pop some bullies in the nose.
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1. Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2. Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3. Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
4. Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
5. Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
6. Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
7. Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
8. Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return
9. Join the armed forces and defend their country
10. Say the Pledge of Allegiance
11. Salute the flag
12. Vote
13. Run for leadership in their organization. (JW’s are ‘appointed’ and invited to be leaders.)
14. Run for leadership in any organization15. Take a stand for any political issue inside their organization
16. Take a stand on any political or ‘worldly’ issue outside of their organization
17. Campaign for a political candidate
18. Hold political office
19. Discuss politics
20. Be a union steward or shop steward
21. Actively be involved in a union strike
22. Use a gun for protection against humans
23. Become a police officer if a gun is required
24. Wear military uniforms or clothing associated with war
25. Take yoga classes and practice the discipline of yoga.
26. Smoke tobacco and cigars27. Work full time selling tobacco and cigars
28. Attend Alcoholics Anonymous
29. Donate blood
30. Have blood transfusions
31. Read books, magazines, publications, and literature from other religions.
32. Buy anything from a church store
33. Buy something at a church garage sale
34. Donate items to a church run store
35. Shop at the Salvation Army
36. Work for the Salvation Army
37. Work for another church
38. Play competitive sports on a school team
39. Play competitive sports professionally
40. Run for class president
41. Become a cheerleader
42. Go to the school prom or school dance.
43. Attend class reunions
44.Be hypnotized
45. Accept Jesus as their mediator
46. Join the Boy Scouts
47. Join the Girl Guides
48. Join the YMCA
49. Serve on jury duty
50. Study psychology, philosophy, sociology, and viewpoints that might shake their faith
51. Attend other Christian churches
52. Attend nondenominational churches
53. Attend non Christian churches
54. Get married in another church
55. Dating non believers is discouraged
56. Casual dating is discouraged
57. Dating someone without the intent of getting married
58. Having sex before marriage
59. Breaking an engagement, separation, and ‘unscriptural’ divorce may result in disciplinary action
60. Marriage to non believers is not recommended
61. Be gay or lesbian. Homosexuality is not acceptable.
62. Throw rice at a wedding
63. Get divorced unless the reason is adultery
64. Can’t remarry unless their ex commits fornication first
65. Toast drinks
66. Buy a raffle ticket
67. Play bingo
68. Gamble
69. Sing any holiday songs
70. Sing the National Anthem.
71. Celebrate Christmas – Why?
72. Celebrate New Years Eve – Why?
73. Celebrate Easter – Why?
74. Celebrate Mother’s Day – Why?
75. Celebrate Father’s Day
76. Celebrate birthdays – Why?
77.Celebrate Thanksgiving
78. Celebrate Flag Day
79. Celebrate Veteran’s Day
80. Celebrate Independence Day. Why?
81. Celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day
82. Celebrate Valentine’s Day
83. Celebrate Halloween – Why?
84. Celebrate Hanukkah
85. Accept holiday gifts – Why?
86. Celebrate any holiday except the death of Jesus – Why?
87. Partake in the bread and wine that represents Christ unless they are part of the 144,000
88. Make holiday artwork for school
89. Engage in holiday parties at school
90. Take on a leadership role in school
91. Avoid viewing or behaving in a pornographic manner (Porneia)
92. Do suggestive and immodest dancing in a public place
93. Attend a class, workshop, or seminar, sponsored by another church 94.Attend social events or fund raisers sponsored by another church
95. Use of bad language (curse words) is discouraged
96. Wear blue jeans, shorts, and overly casual clothing at the Kingdom Hall.
97. Wear pants at a Kingdom Hall if you’re a woman
98. Wear revealing clothes or skirts that are too short (looked down upon)
99. Wear long hair or facial hair if you’re a man (depends on the local customs of the country you live in)
100. Body piercing are discouraged
101. Tattoos are discouraged
102. State or imply that the Watchtower is not run by Jehovah God.
103. Have discussions and express Bible based viewpoints that contradict the organization’s beliefs
104. Say anything negative about their organization. JW’s must ‘speak in agreement’ and be ‘like-minded’.
105. Consider other religious beliefs as valid and truthful.
106. Acknowledge any prayer spoken by a non believer as valid - do not say "amen" to it
107. Take another Jehovah’s Witness to court (with exceptions)
108. Wear or own a cross
109. Own any religious picture of any faith
110. Own any religious statue of any faith
111. Engage in idolatry
112. Believe in miracles (except those found in the Bible)
113. Believe in ghosts
114. Witchcraft
115. Black magic
116. White magic
117. Consult with a psychic or become one
118. Study tarot cards, get a reading or give a reading
119. Study numerology or get a reading
120. Dabble in ESP (extrasensory perception), dowsing, or divination
121. Use a tool such as a pendulum to access information from the spiritual realm
122. Attempt to communicate with spirits of the dead.
123. Attend a seance
124. Believe in good luck or say things such as ‘Good luck to you’. Why?
125. Believe or say anything superstitious
126. Prophesy
127. Speaking in tongues
128. Laying on of hands
129. Energy healing such as Reiki
130. Read their horoscope
131. Study astrology or zodiac signs
132. Combat training, boxing, or martial arts
133. Go to heaven unless they are part of the 144,000
134. Worship Jesus as God
135. Idolize any celebrity or love and admire them to excess
136. Women can’t be elders
137. Women can’t be ministerial servants (assistants to the elders)
138.Divulge secret information to enemies and those not entitled to know.
139. Greet or talk with disfellowshipped persons (with some exceptions)
140. Associate with disfellowshipped persons except for immediate family living in the same house
141 .Keep secrets from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules142. Women cannot assume the role of a male and instruct the congregation.
143. A woman should not pray in the presence of a baptized male JW.
144. Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t be part of this world. They must be separate from the world
145. They can’t believe anything former Jehovah’s Witnesses say, – even if it’s factual.
146. Unless they’re an Elder, Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t read this book, – ‘Shepherd the Flock of God’ -
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Just a really messed up situation
by My Name is of No Consequence ina quick summary of my situation: i have known ttatt since at least 2010. my wife and teenage son are still in.
i only mention that because it is relevant in this situation.
you can see some of my previous posts for additional details.
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Nathan Natas
Next time your wife is kicking you in the balls, punch her in the foot with your balls at the same instant that she lands the kick. That way it will hurt more. Repeat until you vomit and pass out.
I hope this has been helpful.
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What happened to Marvin Schilmer and his Blog against the JW's?
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspoturl=https://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/07/complete-donation-what-happened.html.
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Today's Text - Fear Mongering, Great Tribulation, & New Light!
by Divergent ina stupid text which raises many questions -.
sunday, june 26. there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.—matt.
24:21.. the earthly part of jehovah’s organization is moving ahead in various ways.
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Nathan Natas
"But we might well ask: ‘Am I keeping pace with refinements in our understanding of Scriptural truth? Is it my custom to read the Bible daily?"
WHY should ANYONE "read the Bible daily" when its meaning is constantly changing?
Huh?
Huh?
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No! No! No! This can't be true? brexit? No!
by purrpurr init seems britain has voted to leave the eu in a move of total madness!
the markets are already in free fall and the moronic bigots who campaigned for this are celebrating the demise of our country .. i can't see how a 49-51% split can be democratic?
there is still the postal vote to come in, maybe there's hope in that?
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Nathan Natas
"...the group most responsible for Brexit is older, whiter ..."
no doubt a result of that RACIST laundry product, OXICLEAN!
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What happened to Marvin Schilmer and his Blog against the JW's?
by TerryWalstrom inhttps://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspoturl=https://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/07/complete-donation-what-happened.html.
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Nathan Natas
"The Thing That Came for Farkle" - sounds like an H. P. Lovecraft story.
That "Thing" comes for each of us eventually, but it came to Farkle in a most awful way.
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Dodgy poetry
by Gargamel init is a stretch to call my dodgy poetry 'entertainment' but i wasn't sure where else to put it.. .
self-fulfilling prophecy.
precipitation.
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Nathan Natas
Old poem
Frog sits still
No sound
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The Watchtower leaders are afraid of our elephants
by TerryWalstrom inin the 1960's, when i was most active as a jehovah's witness, it was a different, more relaxed religion.
we were filled with confidence about our "truth" because we were skilled in rebuttal, overcoming objections, and we encouraged tough questions to test our mettle in the door to door work.. when an anti-dub book like "30 years a watchtower slave" was released, we all couldn't wait to read it and comment about it.it was seen as a pathetic effort at spite--never as a serious threat to our confidence in what we had.. so--what was different about the jw religion and our skillset back then from the watchtower world of paranoia and enforced loyalty today?i think i know.. we were like boxer george foreman before ali knocked him out.
we were mike tyson before buster douglas introduced his face to the canvas in that ring in japan.we were bullet proof.. not until you have a bone-shaking reckoning do you lose confidence and wonder, "wtf just happened?
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Nathan Natas
Great post, T!